Pickle Juice

As I mentioned, this blog jumps around some.  This talks about Pickle Juice. Hype or Real.  Last year, as I was just reminded, from the Multiple Sclerosis Magazine,  I asked one of the Sponsors of the Bike Marathon, that had a booth for Multiple Sclerosis bike riders if the Pickle Juice they had, would help my  Spasticity with Multiple Sclerosis.  I would of loved the bike ride up the coast, and the wineries along the way.  I've ridden 50 miles once, but that was thirty decades ago. Knowing the Charlie horses or tight muscles are different then the ones for Multiple Sclerosis.  This I knew first handed, but was still curious if they had a product that would help.  We see a lot of bike trainers using our steep mountain roads to train on where we live, at 3,000 ft elevation.


Pickle Juice sent me a six pack of their product to try.  picklepower.com
 I checked with my neurologist if he was opposed for me to try. He said bike riders get muscle cramps from imbalance of electrolytes by peddling so hard for so long.

In Multiple Sclerosis, it's the sheath coating from the brain mis firing signals to calves, or other muscle groups, that cause them to tense up, or become Charlie horsed, and stay Charlie horsed until the signal from the brain let's up.

Giving pickle juice a try, yes it taste like fermented pickle juice, but without the pickles. A interesting product, as in its own bottle.  I would think gym training athletes, or bike riders that are needing quick electrolytes, or others on a rigorous routine would benefit that need the electrolyte balance, and from real fermentation of pickles, instead of a sweet drink.

It was a no go for my Spasticity however.

  I use some odd concoctions already.
Baclofen, I am maxed out on. A baclofen pump to be implanted has already been turned down years ago from reading some other blogs.

A small amount of diazapam is split up to help during 24 hours. I make my own oils from the marijuana plant, along with using alcohol to make other tinctures.  I am still looking for the proper combination or strain of the plant to utilize. If anyone has recommendations, or seeds, let me know.

I make my own quinine to obtain 30 mg. The same quinine used to make a Gin and Tonic water, just without the Gin.

 See my blog on Quinine-toxic-or-helpful? . A shot glass usually relaxes Charlie horses muscle.  This Needs followed by a neurologist and cardiologist, and may not be for everyone.  I do not have a gag reflex, as a swallowing study done showed

More interesting items is Mustard. A Tablespoon of plain yellow mustard has properties that science can not explain, as when it hits the stomach, it's effects start to release muscle cramps.
Sometimes it is slower than quinine, but works.

So if you are a avid bike rider, I would put a bottle in my pack, And give it a ten star. Worth trying picklepower.com

If you are a company, wanting me to review a product, let me know.

As for others, let me know what help with your Multiple Sclerosis cramps, Charlie horses, muscle twitches, the MS HUG, or different parts of the body, what muscle groups have the most problems.

My Neurologist, injects  onabotulinum toxin A into my calves, and into my neck muscles to calm these mis firing nerves, that cause me problems. It helps tremendously, and has kept me walking with a cane.  He is limited by insurance to doing this every three months.  It only last for about 62 days with me, and others.

Ampyra is used also, that has definitely helped me.

Thank you for reading
JoeY

https://rarepatientvoice.com/EverchangingMS/

Quinine Toxic or helpful?

What is JoeY talking about now, you will ask.--------------------------------------------

Quinine is still added to Tonic Water. This is what you can use to make Gin and Tonic, or drink it alone. The USA banned quinine in all the other medicines that were available made with this, except Tonic Water, and limits how much they can use.

Quinine is made from the cinchona bark. As you might know, cinchona bark consists of quinine, which is toxic.
 
Quinine is a unique substance. It comes from the bark of the cinchona bark.

  It has a legal limit of 83 ppm in carbonated drinks, Tonic water, the only one.   Besides the use in Gin and Tonic, it was used medically for cramps before being banned in the USA.

potential-dangers-of-homemade-tonic-water.

"take one of the most popular tonic syrup recipes, published by Jeffrey Morgenthaler: 

Basically, it's 6 cups of liquid to 1/4 cup of powdered cinchona bark, which is about 35 grams of cinchona. Extrapolate from that and we're talking about 35 grams of cinchona per 1.4 liters of end syrup, which is 25 grams per liter, and if it extracts fully, contributes 1.25 grams of quinine per liter, which equates to 1251 parts per million. That's 15 times the CFR standard.

If you use 3/4 of an ounce of that syrup in a Gin and Tonic, you're adding in 27.5 mg of quinine - more than double the amount of quinine in a commercial gin and tonic. 

Note: Does a syrup extract quinine fully from the cinchona? No - but it extracts faster from powdered cinchona versus cinchona chips or quills.

Note: Does a syrup that is sieved through a french press or a coffee filter have a high percentage of solids still in suspension? Yes - and any of the solids you swallow contribute the full amount of the quinine as your body digests the powder. "

You must also hear The researchers notes read from test done by scientist. This may be enough to make sure to talk to Doctors before use. 

YouTube video Notes on Quinine

The Baclofen I am on was maxed out on the limit that I could use.  Diazepam in low dose was tried.

The spasms, Charlie horse and muscles in my calves not letting up.  Botox was being used every three months, Injected into certain spots of the muscles, by a Neurologist. This would last 60 days.

Research was done when Neurologist mentioned Quinine may help. A EKG was done of my heart.

A regular quart bottle was taken of  Tonic water which contained Quinine.  Nothing,  but it has A lot of sugar, and the sugarless has a sugar substitute, what I thought had been banned twenty years ago.

But not enough Quinine, and to much sugar.

My research led me to Quinine. The Dangers of Quinine, and how to make your own.
I found some suppliers, buying a pound of Quinine bark, and following a recipie by Jeffrey Morgan

https://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/how-to-make-your-own-tonic-water/

https://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/how-to-make-your-own-tonic-water/

Their are different types of bark, and more research. This site has a lot of information.

Quinine info Rain-Tree

This would amount to taking a shot glass, or a ounce of homemade quinine, which is about 27 mg quinine. 

Drinking this elixir would immediately stop my curling toes, and the bottom of the feet to the calves. I did not use any gin, and lowered The sugar content, as the Tonic quinine is what I wanted.

The recipe, and math was gone over with my Neurologist, and Heart Dr, so I would not build up to much quinine in my body. 

30 grams per ounce is what I try to obtain. Not more than a shot in a day, and only when really needed. 

Regular checks with the heart Dr, doing EKG, Echos,  GP, and Neurologist is a must! Listen to video.

  I could say this is a wonder bark from the tree, but you need to listen to the researchers notes to know why this was pulled from the market.  You need  your GP, Neurologist, Heart Dr, and all involved in your team to know before making it, or use of this substance. I am not promoting its use, or making this, just my research, and what worked for me might not work for someone else.

I am not saying, go make your own quinine.  But try a bottle of Tonic Water. It might be all you need.

Or better yet, a Tablespoon of yellow Mustard, has wonderful properties, scientist can not explain how Mustard will bypass digestion system, and calm muscle spasms. This was A mention from my Neurologist to try years later. Mustard. A plain yellow mustard works.

Thanks for reading
JoeY