Neurodegenerative Diseases

Recently, My Neurologist was doing  injections of Botox into both calves, and the neck muscle for spascity.  the muscles remaining in a Charlie horse state. Botox works for 62 days, but can only be given every 90 days

He has mentioned the large blood cells, or thick blood vessels I had since day one.  I was now able to tell him what genes were involved that created the Iron Overload. A possibility of the pituitary gland storing iron, as Testosterone and vitamin D shot up at the beginning of phlebotomy.

  I have a great Endocrinologist form University of California, Davis that keeps a good track of me. She is the one responsible for getting me to the Cancer Doctor, when my blood was not normal. She had done  a MRI of the pituitary gland, after ruling every endocrine items out.
 At that point I knew she was looking for a tumor. This came back normal. The Endocrine system was having trouble though.


My main neurologist,
He asked about other Genes involved, if I had The A004 gene. This is Alzheimer Gene, which was also passed down. My Moms dad died of this.  He agreed to review my DNA on our next visit. Iron is also involved in studies they have done. So a double whammy, but doesn't mean I will get late stage Alzheimer's.  I will bring him the DNA  that was this gene was passed to each child,  so a interesting reading. More research to keep my mind active.

A few other Genes listed, but 23Andme does not show you all. It's in the raw data, that would need uploaded to another site to tell you what the gene coding means. Blue eyes, or brown hair, or a bunch of diseases you may be susceptible to.  Still looking at sites, still trying to get my mind boggles down with information of this new DNA technology

These gene sites, including 23andme, can also tell you your ancestry. I have a ton of people related to, never knew about. Letting my sister and mom do genealogy of this new found information.

Multiple Sclerosis is a neurodegenerative diseases, along with hematomochrosis or iron overload,
Macular degeneration, celiac disease,  and a whole slew of others.

My Team, is made up of a  GP, DO, (Dr of Oseopathic medicine, who looks at the entire body as a whole) two Neurologist, Endocrinologist, GI Dr,  A heart Dr from Sacramento Heart, a ophthalmologist, a optometrist, hemotologist, Cancer Dr,  gene counselor, and their team of nurses, students, and researchers I utilize.

  they are keeping track of me, and the interactions of new symptoms.  I get my follow up visit in a few weeks, where I bring my notebook with me full of questions, or possible therapies for my main MS Dr.

All The other neurodegenerative diseases just pile On top of my Multiple Sclerosis.

My main Neurologists asked questions, and then  scheduled Me for a Lsep Test This last visit.

This is a test, they put electrodes on many parts of your head and your bottom legs. Many electrode sites hooked to a graph machine,  different electrical currents and pulses are then sent up the leg and back down to measure the nerves, speed and a lot of other technical items, from different parts of the brain.  The Neurologists keeps track of my MS, with these test done every so often.


MS took a turn this last two months. Stabbing knives alternating between the top of the feet down thru. Only happens at nighttime. My GP last month, told me my body was getting used to the drugs, and wearing off.  I went back thru my notebook, and assume I have found the culprit drug not working.  When cymbalta was changed to a generic, it only has to be 70% of original strength.  I used many generics that did not work, including naming generic brand for not working.

This I think happened again. With same drug, a generic of Cymbalta, wearing off in 18-20 hours, instead of being 24 hours. I did my own study, as cymbalta, or generic takes a few weeks to kick in, I had enough of brand x for two weeks,  so I used brand Y, For first two weeks with extreme pain awakening me around 3-4 am. This was followed brand x for two weeks, without problem. I then followed it with brand Y again, being awoken with jabbing pain in foot about the same time. Since mail order pharmacy, they just send what Aetna Coventry has bought the cheapest of, I do not have a say.  But with a half dozen tried, think name brand may need to be medically necessary, if I receive this sub brand again. But Need to let people who make it know,

I feel privileged to have access to two Neurologist. One Neurologist, perhaps in his 70s, his dad was a Neurologist also. He keeps up to date with what has worked, and what has not over the years. A very sharp minded guy, who has me even try concoctions I have made to obtain 27 mg of  quinine that stops the Charlie horses when botox wears off. A tablespoon of Yellow mustard
Also helps. No Dr's can explain this one.

He injects botox into my calves that stay in a continuous Charlie horse, until botox is used. Also this botox is injected into my neck muscles, where knots of muscles form. This is called  Botulism Toxin A, so different than one used for wrinkles.

I bring My notebook into his office three weeks later to go over research I have done, the yey, or no, or that was tried in 1960, or get him more info. His office is always full of paperwork, as he does not use a computer. A staff of three, that writes the schedule in a book, the other, a old computer for billing.

My other Neurologist is a lady from the University of California, Davis. She also keeps up on latest items, and research.  She is in charge of some researches going on,  but I can only see her every six months. Some visits are short of she is running behind, or longer if I am in need of time with her. She examines my reflexes, strength, walking speed, and types lots of notes of last six months. There may be a trial she will be involved in.


My other team consist of

 Ubiome.com, who does a Gut study of microbes in me. I was one of the first on their pilot study. They have came a long ways since then.  I share the results with my go and GI Dr.

 23andme.com who just did my DNA, along with the Cancer Center doing DNA also.

Iconqurems.com let's researchers look at your labs and questions.

Patientslikeme.com keeps a great record of medicines, started, stopped, adjusted, graphs on me and pain levels. Has all my labs in one place with graphs of levels. Has my DNA, and blood samples.

Allofus.com recruited 1 million people for testing with scientist to develop precision medicine. I was one of the first few thousand who joined. They are looking into my DNA, and keep me informed of their scientists and Test going on.  Perhaps future generations will be helped.

Managemypain pro is a great app I've used to see what medicine affected me, or where I was having more pain at.

I ask other well known bloggers also, to get their perspective. I always look forward to their emails.

Thanks for reading
JoeY

Also, if anyone wants to walk or virtual walk around the capital of California for MS, My team name is everchangingMS
Everchangingms Sacramento MS Walk or Virtual Walk

Rare diseases

Multiple sclerosis is listed with Rare Diseases.
Both Wil and I had The opportunity to go to the Rare Diseases Convention held this last Saturday, in Sacramento CA 2019. rearediseases.org

They had it set up for 75-100 people, but I felt more connected to the small group of sixteen that showed.   Wil and I, the only guys.  I could not keep up with the disease names or short names the people had, or a loved one, like their child died from.  names of diseases never heard of and years to get diagnosed properly.   This conference covered rare diseases and the orphan diseases, which is a disease that has less than 200,000 people that have the disease.  So my rare rare H63d gene that I received from each parent, that was mutated, perhaps a hundred years ago,  is quite rare with me, and my older brother, and one other in 10 years I found. Would love to hear from anybody with both H63d genes that caused Iron overload, for paper to submit to researchgate.net, so other researchers can look at.

I have been in iron overload, with phlebotomy every week since October. I became anemic since January, and numbers not coming back quickly, as my bone marrow makes new blood cells.
My brother, did not know he also is in iron overload. It shows up as high ferritin with him, and bronze skin color.   Bout in the big toe is a sign of iron overload often overlooked.   high hemoglobin and iron saturation with me. Two genes, part of HFE, identical H63d DNA which causes the protien that turns on or off the uptake of iron to the body not working properly.


Rare Diseases had a nice breakfast and lunch spread  set up for us.
The presenters knew their materials and answers to questions asked.

There were some sniffles, and the lady who sat next to me, using mega Vicks vapor rub, so I hope the zinc I Take will head off any of the people that have been coughing or have a cough is not contagious. I can not take vitamin C, because it attracts iron. Fortified cereal, and a lot more items contain iron, or extra C, that I can not tske.

I was glad the conference wrapped up by two, as my body was becoming stiff, and MS symptoms not settling down.  We were quite tired by the time we got home to Wil s Mom, who made home made lasagna for dinner, which we enjoyed after she came home from church.

Our dogs got their walk before rain hit, and we're glad we were home. A night in Sacramento was spent before the meeting, sponsored by rare diseases, as the distance was far for Wil to drive.


I forgot to mention their new site https://rareaction.org/resources-for-advocates/

Thanks for reading
Joe

H63D + H63D causing Iron overload

H63D

Gene: HFE

Marker:rs1799945

G

Variant copy from one of your parents



G

Variant copy from your other parent

 Biological explanation

The variant tested is a change from a C to a G in the DNA sequence of the HFE gene. It results in a protein that can't properly control the amount of iron released from cells.

A Iron ferritin test will not show, says normal. It takes the Dr to look at my Hemoglobin and Iron Saturation to obtain results. If iron saturation is greater than 3% and Hemaglobin is greater than 12, a phlebotomy, AR also known as a venIpuncture,, will be done, for those wondering, or researchers interested. 

Phlebotomy is the collection of blood by one of several methods. These methods include: 1) performing a finger puncture with a small lancet to let blood drain from capillaries, which is then collected into a very fine glass tube (capillary tube), a pediatric (microtainer) collection tube, or onto blotter paper; 2) a heel puncture, in lieu of a finger puncture, for neonates and infants; 3) venipuncture; and 4) arteriopuncture or arterial puncture.

Venipuncture, as it relates to phlebotomy, is using a needle to puncture a vein from which to collect blood into a syringe or evacuated tube. (Venipuncture can also be used to introduce into a vein a fluid, such as a medication or a contrast for radiology, but that falls outside the scope of phlebotomy.)

I have only found one other person in ten years, that had done a study of with This rare gene.  Even 23andme DNA, does not say you can be in iron overload.



This is one of the best explanations of how the gene changes a protien, to cause problems.

https://labtestsonline.org/articles/genetic-testing https://labtestsonline.org/articles/genetic-testing

https://labtestsonline.org/genetic-disorders
https://labtestsonline.org/genetic-disorders

https://labtestsonline.org
https://labtestsonline.org

I have been in Anemic Stage since the beginning of January 2019, since doing weekly phlebotomies since October 1, 2018. I have not done any phlebotomy since, as my numbers still are dropping. I emailed my Cancer Center Dr, to make sure I do not get into trouble stage, with such low numbers, along with The phlebotomist center nurses called me, to keep a eye on me.
The only side effect have is I get out of breath, doing simple items. Complete trying to catch my breath, like hiking at 15-20,000 ft elevation. My body not getting enough oxygen, due to new blood my bone marrow is making,  with less oxygen per cell to utilize.

Since this is such a rare blood disease, most doctors do not have a clue, or do not do enough research to find DNA.

 A liver Dr, stood across the room from me, and said there was no possible way I had Hemochromatosis, or iron overload. That I never needed Any phlebotomies. His assistant, who came in before The Dr did, explained some liver test they wanted to do, for uptake of iron from The small intestines to The liver, possibly the cause of The metabolic syndrome going on in my stomach.  The Dr wrote a electronic note to all my other specialists, that said I did not have this


So I spent a day to quote some Items of Yes, I do have Iron Overload. These are the genes involved per my Cancer Center Doctor, and Emailing his quote to all my other Drs.

I was referred to The liver Dr, by my GI Dr, to see iron loading in my system.

Then there was the Gene Dr, for a consultation on the rare gene I have. She quickly dismissed this, and said to send her hemoglobin reports from family members, saying it just ran high with everyone. I did this, and then the format.. My brother supplied 27 pages of hemoglobin reports.


When emailing family,
My siblings stepped in, realizing, this gene was real,  and could be passed down and they did a 23andme test in December, including my mom.  I had The opportunity to see how this gene was being passed down, and think 200 years ago mutated, or unknown. This  just aligned exactly with me and some siblings, others are carriers, who passed The gene to their kids.

I emailed this info to my Gene Dr, as next appointment was a few months away. A email response was thank you. No follow up needed.  The next week was a call of why I cancelled. This brought the Gene Dr to call me personally. I had unanswered questions, and still do, as our three minute talk was not enough about this rare gene, or that I had taken time to find This gene running in my family.

So a full-fledged rollercoaster type of last few months.  The State finally supplied me with a driver and vehicle in January 2019.  I have asked since 2013. Weekly tolls were not nice to our 25 year old cars For the drive, and quite costly, but more On that later.

NORD, National Organization for Rare Diseases,  emailed me about a rare disease and orphan disease convention they are having next weekend in Sacramento. Ensuring a hotel For prior night, as it starts early. So more On this later.

Thanks for reading. If you know of anyone who has thick blood, and these genes line up, would  love to hear.

Thanks for reading
JoeY

Phlebotomy Or Venipuncture number nine

Phlebotomy  venipuncture number nine, with Wil in the background.

For my UK audiences,

Phlebotomy is the collection of blood by one of several methods. These methods include: 1) performing a finger puncture with a small lancet to let blood drain from capillaries, which is then collected into a very fine glass tube (capillary tube), a pediatric (microtainer) collection tube, or onto blotter paper; 2) a heel puncture, in lieu of a finger puncture, for neonates and infants; 3) venipuncture; and 4) arteriopuncture or arterial puncture.

Venipuncture, as it relates to phlebotomy, is using a needle to puncture a vein from which to collect blood into a syringe or evacuated tube. (Venipuncture can also be used to introduce into a vein a fluid, such as a medication or a contrast for radiology, but that falls outside the scope of phlebotomy.)

I've decided to get more technical. Found this video on Facebook, but the actual explanation is done on Brainiac75 YouTube channel

Monster Magnet meets blood
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IVsWTkD2M6Qblood

So what can be learned by scientists with this tidbit of information? I'f you are high or low in iron?  Would love comments.


I was interested it HFE is a blood disorder,
 a blood cancer,
or how it is defined, as it will last they test of my life, like Multiple Sclerosis does.

Google answers asking of HFE gene,  provides a spelling
"haemochromatosis an autoimmune disease?
In this severe disorder, iron builds up rapidly in the liver of the developing fetus. It is thought to be an autoimmune disease, in which the body attacks itself. "


A government site shows this
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/gene/HFE
The HFE gene provides instructions for producing a protein that is located on the surface of cells, primarily liver and intestinal cells. The HFE protein is also found on some immune system cells.

The HFE protein interacts with other proteins on the cell surface to detect the amount of iron in the body. The HFE protein regulates the production of another protein called hepcidin, which is considered the "master" iron regulatory hormone. Hepcidin is produced by the liver, and it determines how much iron is absorbed from the diet and released from storage sites in the body. When the proteins involved in iron sensing and absorption are functioning properly, iron absorption is tightly regulated. On average, the body absorbs about 10 percent of the iron obtained from the diet.

The HFE protein also interacts with two proteins called transferrin receptors; however, the role of these interactions in iron regulation is unclear.



MEDLINEPLUS SHOWS

Autosomal recessive

Autosomal recessive is one of several ways that a trait, disorder, or disease can be passed down through families.

An autosomal recessive disorder means two copies of an abnormal gene must be present in order for the disease or trait to develop.

Information

Inheriting a specific disease, condition, or trait depends on the type of chromosome that is affected. The two types are autosomal chromosomes and sex chromosomes. It also depends on whether the trait is dominant or recessive.

A mutation in a gene on one of the first 22 nonsex chromosomes can lead to an autosomal disorder.

Genes come in pairs. One gene in each pair comes from the mother, and the other gene comes from the father. Recessive inheritance means both genes in a pair must be abnormal to cause disease. People with only one defective gene in the pair are called carriers. These people are most often not affected with the condition. However, they can pass the abnormal gene to their children.

CHANCES OF INHERITING A TRAIT

If you are born to parents who carry the same autosomal recessive change (mutation), you have a 1 in 4 chance of inheriting the abnormal gene from both parents and developing the disease. You have a 50% (1 in 2) chance of inheriting one abnormal gene. This would make you a carrier.

In other words, for a child born to a couple who both carry the gene (but do not have signs of disease), the expected outcome for each pregnancy is:

A 25% chance that the child is born with two normal genes (normal)A 50% chance that the child is born with one normal and one abnormal gene (carrier, without disease)A 25% chance that the child is born with two abnormal genes (at risk for the disease)

Note: These outcomes do not mean that the children will definitely be carriers or be severely affected.

Yet, another government page shows:

Although a direct association has not been established between HFE mutations and MS susceptibility or clinical outcome 109, a recent retrospective study on patients who were homozygous for HFEC282Y concluded that autoimmune conditions were common among individuals with hemochromatosis

 For technical readers,
Page 18 of https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5569368/  click This link.  This government page
Shows
Autoimmunity

From a different perspective, enhanced immune responses by mutated HFEC282Y may favor the appearance of autoimmunity. Various reports have described autoimmune conditions in association with hemochromatosis. In particular a higher prevalence of the HFEC282Y mutation was observed among cases of multiple sclerosis (MS) and was present among MS patients that had an accelerated onset of the disease and more severe MS symptoms 109, 110, 111. Although a direct association has not been established between HFE mutations and MS susceptibility or clinical outcome 109, a recent retrospective study on patients who were homozygous for HFEC282Y concluded that autoimmune conditions were common among individuals with hemochromatosis 15. Expression of the HFEC282Y mutation could increase the self‐reactivity of CD8+ T cells that cross the blood‐brain barrier, via increased MHC I antigenic presentation. The HFEC282Y mutation may result in an increased presentation of auto‐antigens related to MS beyond a recognition threshold causing the onset and progression of the disease, unlike HFEWT which could inhibit presentation and maintain immunosuppression 109, 111.

The Article goes on to talk about cancers also.

Iron overload is rare in patients homozygous for the H63D mutation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4071918
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4071918/

Excess Iron and Brain Degeneration: The Little-Known Link
Life extension has interesting info
https://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2012/3/Excess-Iron-Brain-Degeneration/Page-01

Suppression of Iron-Regulatory Hepcidin by Vitamin D
Vitamin D and Iron
https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/25/3/564.full

But mine is just opposite of what article talks about, as I have High Iron. Was on 150,000 iu Vitamin D, to keep my levels up, followed by endocrinologist every three months. I was found initially with vitamin D in Ricketts stage. They phlebotomy has made some drastic changes to my #s increasing, along with my testosterone numbers. Adjustments were made, to my daily regime of meds, and to retest in a month, and again two months later. Such a rare H63d gene, then doctors monitoring, I am keeping notes. Perhaps scientists will look at, as I am quite rare.

Wikipedia defined Hepcidin

Hepcidin synthesis and secretion by the liver is controlled by iron stores within macrophages, inflammation, hypoxia, and erythropoiesis. Macrophages communicate with the hepatocyte to regulate hepcidin release into the circulation via eight different proteins: hemojuvelin, heriditrary hemochromatosis protein, transferrin receptor 2, bone morphogenic protein 6 (BMP6), matriptase-2, neogenin, BMP receptors, and transferrin.^[14]

Erythroferrone, produced in erythroblasts, has been identified as inhibiting hepcidin and so providing more iron for hemoglobin synthesis in situations such as stress erythropoiesis.^[15][16]

Vitamin D has been shown to decrease hepcidin, in cell models looking at transcription and when given in big doses to human volunteers. Optimal function of hepcidin may be predicated upon the adequate presence of vitamin D in the blood.^[17]

I belong to All of Us research program. They sent me a email back questioning the rare H63d Mutation I have

"Indeed, the mutation you have is quite rare so thank you for bringing this to our attention.  I am happy to report that one of the very first actions to be taken by the NIH All of Us Research Program will be to sequence the DNA samples you kindly provided when you allowed us to collect a sample of your blood. This, and any other notable mutations, will be detected by the NIH team and investigators studying this mutation or condition will be notified.

In the meantime, I looked at the list of national clinical trials atClinicalTrials.gov that were studying hemochromatosis. There were about 46 studies listed and a handful currently recruiting in the USA. I am not advocating that you enroll in any, but thought you might like to see what kinds of alternative treatments are being studied for this condition."

 Those interested can contact

Samrrah A. Raouf
Clinical Research Coordinator
All of Us Research Program
UC Davis Health
Office: (916) 734 5772
Mobile (call/text): (916) 502-5605
Allofus@ucdavis.edu
www.joinallofus.org

A update is I have became anemic first of the year 2019, from phlebotomy's. My numbers are still dropping eight weeks later. So no phlebotomy for now, but watching me close, so I do not get to low, as being anemic has its own items, I will talk about in another blog




Thanks for reading
Joey

Ever changing MS

Danger road curves ahead

                                                       Blood phlebotomy from 1800's

A perfect title. Ever Changing Multiple Sclerosis. It is still a very big part of how MS has changed me. I try to be proactive in My approach, learning about the disease, asking universities, and researching a lot of articles, and papers written by the experts.

  My Neurologist told me all the fatigue was MS, has nothing to to do with being in a iron overload state..  Since doing phlebotomy since October 1st of last year, the Cancer Blood Dr. Has had to rely on Hemoglobin numbers, as ferritin numbers showed so different, as if  I was good to go after the second phlebotomy.  The Iron Ratios were still so far off due to the H63d Mutation of the HFE gene. Hemoglobin was the only way to check.  He wanted to get me to a number 10-12,  ferritin >05%. Which would be just Anemic. Being anemic would throw me In a stage of the fatigue caused by being Anemic.  My numbers went down but the MS fatigue never went away.

In the meantime, the Cancer Blood Dr. set me up with a Gene Counsellor.  My GI DR. went and set me up with a liver Dr, due to metabolic syndrome going  on. This was to ensure how much Iron my liver had absorbed by uptake from the small intestines.  I am in between seeing my Neurologist, but keeping them in the loop.  I keep my GO in the loop monthly talking with him.

Not All Doctors are the same. It was a roller coaster day for me and my partner Wil.

The week before I was  undiagnosed with ulcerate colitis. That was good. I was led to believe I had this for two years. VSL#3, prescription strength was used during this time, a mega high dose pro biotic.  I never had The symptoms explained.  My New GI Dr explained this to me.

The Gene Doctor, said I could not have Iron overload, as she scratched some items on paper, showing the feedback loop. I had brought a pamphlet with me, my mom helped put together from Alaska. This was a entire genealogy of relatives, going back generations, and forward to the current generation. Also included was a notebook of any known family diseases, or how a person died, or those living. What was still being worked on was DNA, I let her know.

 Everyone has taken a 23and me a test,but not all results were available, which included mine.  I am sure she had access to doctors notes, that showed he mutations., and lab notes of the H63d gene causing the problem in me, but disregarded them, perhaps undiagnosed me, with her notes, before even seeing me.   She was saying hemoglobin just ran in my family.  This I  checked and emailed to her, after her appointment, showing everyone was normal.  Not sure what she thinks, or I should follow up with her.

 Illustration to show the structure of the DNA double helix.

Image credit: Genome Research Limited.Unravelling-the-double-helix




A interesting article, H63d info, shows the H63d Gene, and since I have two copies mutated, Iron Overload. This gene is also known as

rs1799945

My GI sent me to A liver Dr for metabolic syndrome going on. Perhaps the uptake of iron in the intestines, and stored in organs. His assistant had more yearn for knowledge. He said, perhaps some blood test, so they could check iron uptake into the liver.
It was then, the liver Dr entered the room. Said no way could I have this. I did phlebotomy for nothing, for no reason, undiagnosed me, said he would write notes to all my Dr's, who were wrong. Said I was fine, and left, no follow up needed. I was sitting their with my jaw half open, Wil the unmistakable look of what he just did.

This led me to email my cancer center blood Dr, who ensured me  two mutations of the HFE gene were happening, causing Iron overload, as we discussed.
I spent the rest of the day emailing my cancer center doctors Dr's notes to everyone, and then poof!!!! Liver Dr's notes disappeared, like I never saw him.

Our 25 year old car took a beating, needing many parts, and maintenance for the weekly phlebotomy, and blood test, as Sacramento trips are hard on a old car.  Department of health care service DHCS was supposed to supply transportation during this time, but would not until I sent notes to legal services of northern California,  Lsnc.net and Governor Brown, that they had not since 2013 when asking everyone in the county, and organizations for help.

So not all Drs are created equal, or want to have the knowledge of if they are wrong, or do not know, to come out and say so. A email from either of these two Doctors, would of put some faith back into them.
This led me to a YouTube video I made on the way to a doctor.  caution, Many turns ahead

Danger road curves ahead


Thanks for reading
JoeY

Summer 2018 Train Trip

My Partner, Wil, is great at finding deals. We did not want to be away from our dogs for very long. Alaska trips became out of our budget, with the cost of flying.  Wil found a flight to Chicago where all Amtrak trains leave from. "Mom" watched our dogs for few days.

I packed a unopened bag of psyllium hulls, and a unopened bottle of generlac, a regime I was on for adding fiber for my MS and bowels. TSA however did not like that. I had to open each of the factory sealed containers.  So guess next time, only pack half of each, as that's all I needed for the trip, and was packing as light as possible. .  All other twenty medicines and syringes  were of no concern.

We had a car service drive us to Sacramento, as we live in a remote town, no uber or taxis to airport. This was the beginning of another Amazing Race, my mom kept up on airplane ride, posting where we were.  We made clues of what to do when we checked into our hotel.

The Congress Plaza Hotel is about a hour on the train directly from the airport. The train is elevated, going by old brick buildings, apartments, and many different areas that make up the outskirts of Chicago.  not sure how people adjust to The trains feet from their windows.

The Hotel was built in 1892 for the world's fair, and visited by dignitaries, presidents from around the world. It is known to be haunted. The rooms were all redone. Our view was on eleventh floor with architecture all around us. Willis Tower could be seen a few blocks away. Clean rooms, bathrooms in each room. The interior rooms  do not have a view.  the-most-haunted-hotel-in-chicago
 Dinner was at the Hotel with bed following, as fatigue had overcome both of us from traveling.

My Sister, lives in the suburbs, Took the train inand decided to hang out with us for the day, and help finding clues. Wil and I leaving the next day on the southern route Amtrak
I did not let her know, her son Marc, may join up with us for dinner.  Our first clue was to find her on a incoming train.  We sat in a coffee shop below ground level, and looked at the massive amount of people that kept coming off the train.  We did not know they could be in a cattle call  and forced to go two separate ways. Only half the people we were seeing.  A cell phone call located her just up the escalator above us.  It was her first train ride into the city.

Our next place, was a breakfast place. But once found, it has been closed for a year, even though their website was still current.  The guard for the building sent us down the street for a few to try. All were void of customers. It's breakfast time, so not a good sign.  We walked another block, and found a old fashioned restaurant, from the gangsters era. The food was overflowing the plates. So much we were not hungry for lunch. And so many old photos, the wallpaper, booths, freshly upholstered,  the old red felt wall paper and reminisce of the turn of the century.

Diann, Wil and I walked around looking at different buildings, and architecture. Went up to the top of a Tower for beverages, as one of our clues to go.  the cost of anything else on the menu was out of range.  Great view.

Time seemed to pass by quickly. Not hungry for lunch, we stopped back by the Congress Plaza to rest. Telling stories, as Wil and I lay ed down, practically sleeping. Dinner was approaching, and we had bought a all day bus pass. That helped from doing to much walking, by hopping on and off buses. But first we had to find the famous Gold Room

Up and down elevators, down hallways that led to locked doors. Finally on a second floor, poorly lit, we got off the Grand Elevator. But which way? Not locked doors, we were going g in circles, until I pulled in one, and it opened to a magnificent gold room.

There was a grand piano outside my sister found and played with ease. But then another circle to find the elevator, as hallways were dimly lit.

Lots of tourist and masses amount of people made for MS overload

The Dinner place was listed on skaggets by the Grand park, which we rested at.  Confusion was with the names, plaza at the park, plaza in the park. One was inside, with no people, not a good sign.  Outside was bustling, with lots of people, umbrellas and the smell of fresh food. Wrong restaurant I had emailed my nephew, Marc, but he found us. His mom had not seen him in five years, so was glad he came. Ice cream was after wards.

We took my sister to the train station, to find she had a hour till next train. As it was getting late, we sat with her for hour. This is when the night creatures come out. Panhandlers even asking you to go to ATM to get them some money. Same spiel to other people awaiting train.
The night creatures, instead of all the tourist made Chicago change. Not a place for a lady to be.

We took the train back to our hotel, fell right to sleep. The walking had made my calves hard as rock, but knew we could rest on train for next four days. portillos  Sandwich shop was found Friday morning. Best beef sandwich I've tasted anywhere.

Amtrak Train Ride through the southern states,. You need red carpet service if handicapped.   Stairs leading from the lower deck to the view car and dining car are not made for handicapped. But I was able to transverse  up and down the stairs with cane.

Poverty is extreme in southern states, as seen thru Windows of our train.

The Fire going on near mount Shasta  stopped the train in Sacramento. Most everyone bailed in Los Angeles, where the connection train was at.

Breakfast with a old timer, dressed in a suit, "Merv" who was traveling on same train was nice. He was getting frustrated with Amtrak, as they were not fulfilling their contact to get him to where he was going, or offering any solutions.  Many people were upset, as the station agent had no answers, and Amtrak was not providing any options for for this connector route closed, they knew of it A few days before. And to make matters more interesting, is red carpet lounge, led you to a elevator, to a locked room with no ventalation.  The lounge did not open on train schedules. Real maddening, as was getting overheated, with no chairs.  There was no phone, as station agent had no idea, that she was the one who was supposed to have answers on the train delay.
  Hope Merv got the next train.

There was the crew, us, and a group of few people left on the train.  Forgot about us, so we almost missed Sacramento.  The other four people decided to stay on the train, as they announced that the tracks were opened, after everyone has bailed.

 A sleeper car is the way to go, as all meals included.
 The four day Train ride made the whole adventure come together.

Thanks for reading
JoeY

Rare H63d Gene Phlebotomy and links

Rare H63d Gene with phlebotomy

I am on Phlebotomy number 13, done weekly.  The computer age allows me to see the doctors labs, which are done before each phlebotomy a few days later. Some numbers have dropped, while others increased.  Hematocrit levels watched closely, as ferritin is not a good indicator.


I was interested it HFE is a blood disorder, a blood cancer, or how it is defined, as it will last the rest of my life, like Multiple Sclerosis does. I have not read a clear answer. My Neurologist told me to ask my blood Dr at Cancer center.

Google answers asking of HFE gene,  provides a UK spelling.
"haemochromatosis an autoimmune disease?
In this severe disorder, iron builds up rapidly in the liver of the developing fetus. It is thought to be an autoimmune disease, in which the body attacks itself.

HFE link to protein government site
The HFE gene provides instructions for producing a protein that is located on the surface of cells, primarily liver and intestinal cells. The HFE protein is also found on some immune system cells.

The HFE protein interacts with other proteins on the cell surface to detect the amount of iron in the body. The HFE protein regulates the production of another protein called hepcidin, which is considered the "master" iron regulatory hormone. Hepcidin is produced by the liver, and it determines how much iron is absorbed from the diet and released from storage sites in the body. When the proteins involved in iron sensing and absorption are functioning properly, iron absorption is tightly regulated. On average, the body absorbs about 10 percent of the iron obtained from the diet.

The HFE protein also interacts with two proteins called transferrin receptors; however, the role of these interactions in iron regulation is unclear.

I found a interesting video on Facebook, or youtube. This guy uses strong magnets to show a unexplainable answer, as Iron should be pulled towards the magnet, but not in HFE.   Facebook site to iron and magnets
 His full video with explaining is On YouTube
YouTube site to full explanation

MEDLINEPLUS SHOWS HFE is
Autosomal recessive

Autosomal recessive is one of several ways that a trait, disorder, or disease can be passed down through families.

An autosomal recessive disorder means two copies of an abnormal gene must be present in order for the disease or trait to develop.

Information

I found a layman's term of this gene Hereditary hechromatosis

Inheriting a specific disease, condition, or trait depends on the type of chromosome that is affected. The two types are autosomal chromosomes and sex chromosomes. It also depends on whether the trait is dominant or recessive.

A mutation in a gene on one of the first 22 nonsex chromosomes can lead to an autosomal disorder.

Genes come in pairs. One gene in each pair comes from the mother, and the other gene comes from the father. Recessive inheritance means both genes in a pair must be abnormal to cause disease. People with only one defective gene in the pair are called carriers. These people are most often not affected with the condition. However, they can pass the abnormal gene to their children.

CHANCES OF INHERITING A TRAIT

If you are born to parents who carry the same autosomal recessive change (mutation), you have a 1 in 4 chance of inheriting the abnormal gene from both parents and developing the disease. You have a 50% (1 in 2) chance of inheriting one abnormal gene. This would make you a carrier.

In other words, for a child born to a couple who both carry the gene (but do not have signs of disease), the expected outcome for each pregnancy is:

A 25% chance that the child is born with two normal genes (normal)A 50% chance that the child is born with one normal and one abnormal gene (carrier, without disease)A 25% chance that the child is born with two abnormal genes (at risk for the disease)

Note: These outcomes do not mean that the children will definitely be carriers or be severely affected.

And another government page shows:

Although a direct association has not been established between HFE mutations and MS susceptibility or clinical outcome 109, a recent retrospective study on patients who were homozygous for HFEC282Y concluded that autoimmune conditions were common among individuals with hemochromatosis

 For technical readers,
Autoimmunity with Multiple sclerosis see page 18
Shows
Autoimmunity with Multiple Sclerosis:

From a different perspective, enhanced immune responses by mutated HFEC282Y may favor the appearance of autoimmunity. Various reports have described autoimmune conditions in association with hemochromatosis. In particular a higher prevalence of the HFEC282Y mutation was observed among cases of multiple sclerosis (MS) and was present among MS patients that had an accelerated onset of the disease and more severe MS symptoms 109, 110, 111. Although a direct association has not been established between HFE mutations and MS susceptibility or clinical outcome 109, a recent retrospective study on patients who were homozygous for HFEC282Y concluded that autoimmune conditions were common among individuals with hemochromatosis 15. Expression of the HFEC282Y mutation could increase the self‐reactivity of CD8+ T cells that cross the blood‐brain barrier, via increased MHC I antigenic presentation. The HFEC282Y mutation may result in an increased presentation of auto‐antigens related to MS beyond a recognition threshold causing the onset and progression of the disease, unlike HFEWT which could inhibit presentation and maintain immunosuppression 109, 111.

The Article goes on to talk about cancers also.

Iron overload is rare in patients homozygous for the H63D mutation
iron overload is Rare with H63d Gene

Excess Iron and Brain Degeneration: The Little-Known Link
Iron in the brain

 Further restart led me to Suppression of Iron-Regulatory Hepcidin by Vitamin D. Hepcidin is a hormone, so I sent the article to my Endocrinologist, and my blood doctor.







From the blood journal, Hepcidin and vitamin D

http://www.bloodjournal.org

Blood journalI. 

Treating iron overload with hepcidin. 

Liver not making hepcidin? Hemochromatosis 

the blood journal

Suppression of Iron-Regulatory Hepcidin by Vitamin D
https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/25/3/564.full




But mine is just opposite of what article talks about, as I have High Iron. Was on 150,000 iu Vitamin D, to keep my levels up, followed by endocrinologist.  I was found initially with vitamin D in Ricketts stage. They phlebotomy has made some drastic changes to my #s increasing, along with Testosterone. Adjustments were made, to my daily regime of meds, and to retest in a month, and again two months later. Such a rare H63d gene, then doctors monitoring, I am keeping notes. Perhaps a movie or book in their making? I lowered vitamin D to 70,000 iu/week, after being off it for a month, due to overly high levels.


I belong to All of Us research program. They sent me a email back when asking about the rare H63d Mutation I have

"Indeed, the mutation you have is quite rare so thank you for bringing this to our attention.  I am happy to report that one of the very first actions to be taken by the NIH All of Us Research Program will be to sequence the DNA samples you kindly provided when you allowed us to collect a sample of your blood. This, and any other notable mutations, will be detected by the NIH team and investigators studying this mutation or condition will be notified."

 Those interested can contact

Samrrah A. Raouf
Clinical Research Coordinator
All of Us Research Program
UC Davis Health
Office: (916) 734 5772
Mobile (call/text): (916) 502-5605
Allofus@ucdavis.edu
www.joinallofus.org
www.joinallofus.org

The next question is the HFE is classified as a blood cancer?

A video from YouTube
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2224175634267849&id=479163965435700&anchor_composer=false
Facebook

 YouTube iron
Shows iron in the blood does opposite.
A complete explanation is On his YouTube channel. Something scientist should look into.
YouTube explanation of iron and magnets with bloo d

Also
/UK hematochromotis
 Is another link to check out.  Haemochromatosis

Any comments or articles of research?
Thank you for reading
JoeY

Hormone hepcidin

Major surgery and MS

 Picture  from en.wikipedia.org

October 2017, a month that pain once again went into right shoulder, but this time traveled down to the fingers of the right arm.  Non of my twenty some meds would touch this pain.  I am not on any opiods other types of pain pills for this type of pain.    My GP got me into the hospital for a MRI of my cervical spine. Not all MRI machines have the magnetic strength they need to see everything. Make a note of that, and even ask hospital.you may be surprised on how old some mri's are that are in use.

The MRI showed two herniated disk, pinching on the right and left side. Of the neck, but I was only experienced pain on right side. A sharp jab in right shoulder that would not let loose. Even tried tennis balls to roll down muscle.Spine health has a good description.


A epidural was scheduled December 26th.  This is where they inject  by needle, a steroid shot into the nerve space by guidance of a   scanning machine. Made for a nice picture of needle injected, but gave me no relief for the pain.  None of my meds worked with this jab in the shoulder that traveled down the arm to zaps from fingers.

On top of this, a optometrist appointment was scheduled before Christmas. He noticed one eye  pupil was not responding to the light shined into it. Further investigation when dilated, showed what appeared to be cotton balls on the end of the nerves.  He faxed his findings to my Neurologist, and she started a five day round of steroids by iv drip in hospital right before Christmas.  So I ended up with a double whammy of steroids.

UC Davis set me up for surgery. Their plan was to put a plate and spacers where the two herniated discs were. During consulting, they pointed out two more discs, as the small town hospital we have, does not have a strong enough magnet.  Their X-Ray picked this up.

I asked my doctors about this.  I had just switched to a new GP, who showed major concern. My Neurologist had questions.  So I asked before and then again during pre-op. They fitted me into a neck brace. Being like a car salesman, not explaining anything.  I asked Dr, why a neurosurgeon was not doing operation, due to my progressive MS.

I asked how much pain was due to MS, and how much was due to the herniated discs, as  would I not have same pain going down right side also?  I asked how long will it take me to heal, with a compromised immune system. I  asked, if they were only doing two disc, wouldn't the disc above and below break off from the stress? Would my bones hold the screws, as my bone density is low.So

This is when everyone left the room. No goodbye, nothing.  I looked at my partner, and said "guess we are done here". I went to the check out desk, where a lady in front of me in good health, this was her third surgery. Yes the plate breaks off the bone above or below the operation.  They scrape the muscle, and nerves away from bones being fused together.
A ongoing surgery needing done every time.
I was glad to of opted out, and extremely glad my me GP, was able to stand up to my questions, explaining items of how dangerous this major surgery was, why the surgeon was not explaining.

My Neurologist put me on Hyaluronac Acid  and Chondroitin sulfate   He had a brand name bottle, but  it was expensive.   he wanted me on 400 mg Hyaluronic acid. That would be four pills a day.

What is Hyaluronic Acid?

A protein found naturally in the body, particularly in the joints as a component of Synovial Fluid (a lubricant that reduces friction) and in the collagen network responsible for maintaining the structure of the skin.

Hyaluronic acid (HLA) is often called "the fountain of youth" and is known to hold up to 1000 times it’s weight in water. As we age HLA degenerates, leaving us with aching stiff joints and a dried out skin structure that beneath the surface is damaged and on the surface is visible as wrinkles.

It is thought that supplementing can help replace the lost hyaluronic acid.

Chondroitin helps prevent joint degeneration by producing collagen, which keeps joints flexible and skin looking youthful and smooth. Chondroitin also regenerates cartilage, which maintains tissue integrity and helps heal wounds.


This combination was amazing. Almost instant relief in a few days.  Scouring the Internet, I found  300 mg hyaluronic acid pill from london. So 1 1/2 pills  =450 mg.  Swanson vitamin   had the chondroitin Sulfate in 600 mg capsule.  These were more in my budget.
And worked wonders.  I found these in powder form also, with proper measuring spoons, makes it as easy to take or a simple pill and 1/2 plus

A week after I left the surgery center, I get a updated report on my neck. The report, being the X-Ray,  showed deteriorated disc space between all disc. Which would not of allowed any spot to for them to of screwed and fused a metal plates to.

rheumatorotarthritis.net has a great example of this creepy crack in neck I have delt with. I hope this helps others Article here.

https://rheumatoidarthritis.net/living/creepy-creaking-neck/

I would not know until The next October about  Rare blood cancer or is a rare blood autoimmune that I found out I have, that would of also voided any surgery. They would of opened me up, and gone uh oh, and now what...

Thanks for reading
JoeY

Phlebotomy or Venipuncture And Multiple Sclerosis

We need to jump ahead into the present day, being October 2018.
I am treading on new ground, that my Endocrinologist, Neurologist GP, and Cancer Dr have not seen

the ancient art of blood letting,  or now called a Phlebotomy is used in only one disease.
I have primary progressive multiple sclerosis.  This is the USA term, phlebotomy.  Not was expecting another diagnosis, or was I looking for one.

This is being updated Aug 2020 for my UK audiences correction. 

Phlebotomy is the collection of blood by one of several methods. These methods include: 1) performing a finger puncture with a small lancet to let blood drain from capillaries, which is then collected into a very fine glass tube (capillary tube), a pediatric (microtainer) collection tube, or onto blotter paper; 2) a heel puncture, in lieu of a finger puncture, for neonates and infants; 3) venipuncture; and 4) arteriopuncture or arterial puncture.

Venipuncture, as it relates to phlebotomy, is using a needle to puncture a vein from which to collect blood into a syringe or evacuated tube. (Venipuncture can also be used to introduce into a vein a fluid, such as a medication or a contrast for radiology, but that falls outside the scope of phlebotomy.)

I have been on testosterone therapy for years now. A Endocrinologist was watching over me for also needing 150,000 iu a week of vitamin D to keep my numbers up.  She had taken me off testosterone, to do a MRI of the pituitary gland, to ensure no tumor. Nothing was found. It was difficult on the mind to cold stop testosterone, for anybody thinking of stopping.

My blood, I've always been told it's thick, or large cells. I could not get my testosterone level up. My hematocrit and hemoglobin has always ran high for years. My heart Dr said, while sitting, it's like MS always has me running a marathon.

Many EKG done by other doctors, because of excessive pulse and numbers.  but what I was not expecting was for the endocrinologist to send me to the cancer unit.

My Newest Dr was one at ease, saying it was the testosterone therapy causing thick blood. I told him endocrinologist said it was not. He agreed to run some tests. A DNA of the Jak2 gene, and others,

The JAK2 gene mutation test identifies whether there is a mutation on the JAK2 gene that could cause a myeloproliferative disorder. Polycythemia vera is one of the diseases with a high correlation with a JAK2 mutation.
Mine was negative, but my Iron was off the chart.

He then ran the HFE gene.  I have a great GP that also mentioned This gene. This consist of the C282Y and h63d gene.  I was given one gene from each parent, along with brothers and sisters, and going backwards thru family tree on both sides, to aunts, uncles, cousins, ect.

Hereditary hemochromatosis is present at birth. But, most people don't experience signs and symptoms until later in life — usually between the ages of 40 and 60 in men and after age 60 in women. Women are more likely to develop symptoms after menopause, when they no longer lose iron. My Neurologist niece was diagnosed at the age of 17.

But I have a Quite Rare type.

HEMOCHROMATOSIS DNA, RESULT Homozygous Mutant Negative A
Homozygous for the H63D mutation and negative for the C282Y mutation in the HFE gene. Five percent of C282Y
homozygotes and rare H63D homozygotes develop clinical symptoms. Genetic counseling is recommended.

So more research, and I find only one other person in ten years

 https://www.. .nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4071918
https://www.. .nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4071918/

So with Multiple Sclerosis, I now am dealing with weekly phlebotomy, to try to rid myself of iron overload symptoms. the Gene center told All blood relatives needed contacted, as hereditary.

My blood comes out as thick or thicker than pancake batter.

  I think more studies need done, as I can not be the only one with MS, and Iron overload. Iron also effects the pituitary gland, so that tells me it crosses the brain barrier.
 Would love to know if anybody else has this rare H63d Gene, doing  phlebotomy,  and has MS.  How it effects MS, or any articles found.

Thanks for reading
JoeY

Panel member for newest MS Drug

2016 october, myself and my partner were invited to be on a panel with thirteen other people who had PPMS, and their partners.  We had just returned from another Alaska trip, which I need to blog about. But those were easy short airplane trips, a hour here, stretch, and your there, relax. Change planes, relax. But I had not recouped from Alaska, or seeing mom and our friend Larry and Karen from Sequim, when given this opportunity.

I had to really question being cooped up in a airplane for three hours, to Chicago from Sacramento, and another hour and half  car service ride to airport, plus going thru TSA checkpoint with twenty medicines, syringes, and documents.

I had failed the checkpoint on the Alaska trip, as TSA agent yelling commands to raise arms higher and keep feet on floor map as machine spun. My spasticity set off the alarms for me to be patted down.  I have since learned that I can not use this machine, and I am taken to the side of machine, and even My cane has to go thru x-ray
 My liquid medicine, even if unopened, gets opened and tested.

I finally conceded to go, when their interest in our participation was, they would put us in a sleeper car on Amtrak train, for my spasticity, for trip home.

 I had never ridden a train before.  That was awsome.! Trains are not made for The handicapped, but they gave us The handicapped suite. Beds that folded down from chairs, to make a bunkbed. A private toilet, but we used one with a door right outside our room. A Shower room was next to that.  The room Took up train from side to side. Our room attendant was wonderful. You did need to climb winding stairs, and cross quite a few sleeper cars upstairs to get to domed observation car, and dining car. All meals were included.

The meeting of the Genetech team from San Francisco, and researchers, scientists, the meeting producers, Bruno mars from Switzerland, the head scientist for the secret product we were panel members on.  It was a great opportunity, and would give input again to see steps needed to obtain FDA approval.

We were shown graphs, of what looked better,  the new drug, being a molecule away from rituxamb, which just lost its patent. Marc tells more than I can in wheelchairKamikaze.com, and I can be relaxed I did not share anything from their 24 page attorneys small print release form that we both had to sign. The Drug I had already figured out was Ocrelizumab.
ocrelizumab commentary by wheelchairkamakaze


I figured out that it was the newest drug for PPMS, as that's what all the 13 panel members had. Everyone was on Ampyra, the magical drug to help keep us walking. Everyone used some type of mobility device. Those that had stopped their primary Drug , immunology modifier, we're limited to wheelchairs. Had to take a mental note. Questions were answered with vague answers from their speaker, who was having input from their team of lawyers, and research team.

They fed us good, was a first class hotel, and a shuttle car, which I forgot about. The Chicago airport greeted me with a wheelchair, but attendant knew no english. I walked my Charlie horse off with cane, as he pushed bags around. We went up and down employee elevators, until finally getting to a airport hotel bus.  A adventure inside the Chicago International Airport.  A call when returning home told us a car service has been awaiting for us.

Matt has in his post this year, with him starting.  My First Ocrevus Infusion

My nephew lives in Chicago, so we got to take the Blue line down and have dinner with him, and see my sister in the morning, before being taken in a Lincoln navigator to Chicago Amtrak Train station.

This is when the World Series was playing and the winning events were going on. Crowds of people. Would not of found train, if it were not for red carpet treatment with shuttle to train track.I

The Amazing Race Amtrak took us straight across from. Chicago to Sacramento.

Thanks for reading
JoeY

Quinine Toxic or helpful?

What is JoeY talking about now, you will ask.--------------------------------------------

Quinine is still added to Tonic Water. This is what you can use to make Gin and Tonic, or drink it alone. The USA banned quinine in all the other medicines that were available made with this, except Tonic Water, and limits how much they can use.

Quinine is made from the cinchona bark. As you might know, cinchona bark consists of quinine, which is toxic.
 
Quinine is a unique substance. It comes from the bark of the cinchona bark.

  It has a legal limit of 83 ppm in carbonated drinks, Tonic water, the only one.   Besides the use in Gin and Tonic, it was used medically for cramps before being banned in the USA.

potential-dangers-of-homemade-tonic-water.

"take one of the most popular tonic syrup recipes, published by Jeffrey Morgenthaler: 

Basically, it's 6 cups of liquid to 1/4 cup of powdered cinchona bark, which is about 35 grams of cinchona. Extrapolate from that and we're talking about 35 grams of cinchona per 1.4 liters of end syrup, which is 25 grams per liter, and if it extracts fully, contributes 1.25 grams of quinine per liter, which equates to 1251 parts per million. That's 15 times the CFR standard.

If you use 3/4 of an ounce of that syrup in a Gin and Tonic, you're adding in 27.5 mg of quinine - more than double the amount of quinine in a commercial gin and tonic. 

Note: Does a syrup extract quinine fully from the cinchona? No - but it extracts faster from powdered cinchona versus cinchona chips or quills.

Note: Does a syrup that is sieved through a french press or a coffee filter have a high percentage of solids still in suspension? Yes - and any of the solids you swallow contribute the full amount of the quinine as your body digests the powder. "

You must also hear The researchers notes read from test done by scientist. This may be enough to make sure to talk to Doctors before use. 

YouTube video Notes on Quinine

The Baclofen I am on was maxed out on the limit that I could use.  Diazepam in low dose was tried.

The spasms, Charlie horse and muscles in my calves not letting up.  Botox was being used every three months, Injected into certain spots of the muscles, by a Neurologist. This would last 60 days.

Research was done when Neurologist mentioned Quinine may help. A EKG was done of my heart.

A regular quart bottle was taken of  Tonic water which contained Quinine.  Nothing,  but it has A lot of sugar, and the sugarless has a sugar substitute, what I thought had been banned twenty years ago.

But not enough Quinine, and to much sugar.

My research led me to Quinine. The Dangers of Quinine, and how to make your own.
I found some suppliers, buying a pound of Quinine bark, and following a recipie by Jeffrey Morgan

https://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/how-to-make-your-own-tonic-water/

https://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/how-to-make-your-own-tonic-water/

Their are different types of bark, and more research. This site has a lot of information.

Quinine info Rain-Tree

This would amount to taking a shot glass, or a ounce of homemade quinine, which is about 27 mg quinine. 

Drinking this elixir would immediately stop my curling toes, and the bottom of the feet to the calves. I did not use any gin, and lowered The sugar content, as the Tonic quinine is what I wanted.

The recipe, and math was gone over with my Neurologist, and Heart Dr, so I would not build up to much quinine in my body. 

30 grams per ounce is what I try to obtain. Not more than a shot in a day, and only when really needed. 

Regular checks with the heart Dr, doing EKG, Echos,  GP, and Neurologist is a must! Listen to video.

  I could say this is a wonder bark from the tree, but you need to listen to the researchers notes to know why this was pulled from the market.  You need  your GP, Neurologist, Heart Dr, and all involved in your team to know before making it, or use of this substance. I am not promoting its use, or making this, just my research, and what worked for me might not work for someone else.

I am not saying, go make your own quinine.  But try a bottle of Tonic Water. It might be all you need.

Or better yet, a Tablespoon of yellow Mustard, has wonderful properties, scientist can not explain how Mustard will bypass digestion system, and calm muscle spasms. This was A mention from my Neurologist to try years later. Mustard. A plain yellow mustard works.

Thanks for reading
JoeY